澳大利亚媒体：美国人不明白，中国并不怕美国
澳大利亚“珍珠与刺激”网站4月26日文章，原题：美国人不明白：中国并不怕美国 中国人不怕美国人，但显然美国人并不明白这一点。如果他们能试着从世界霸主竞争者以外的角度来看待中国，或许会理解这一点，更多地从中国人从哪里来，以及他们在曲折的道路上所必须面对的事情的角度来看中国人。
美国人耗费巨大的资源成为霸主，却看不到中国的抱负是什么。以为中国会像美国一样，试图成为霸主——尽管有大量的迹象表明情况恰恰相反。 （环球网） 最艰苦的年代也没屈服，新时代后的定调更是断绝了这条路 本帖最后由 y433wu 于 2024-4-27 19:53 编辑
https://johnmenadue.com/american ... t-afraid-of-the-us/ 星号是弯弯
Americans don’t understand: China is not afraid of the US
China knows that, if it has to, it can stand alone and that it can defend itself. It knows, too, that most nations of the world, other than America (which is, despite itself, somewhat conflicted), want to do business with it; to connect with its growing confidence and with its strengthening brand of non-threatening, non-coercive, non-evangelistic power. Clearly, the Chinese are not afraid of the Americans. Just as clearly, the Americans don’t understand this.
They would give themselves a chance of understanding if they could just try to see China in terms other than of being a contender for America’s world heavyweight championship of dominance. Of seeing the Chinese more in terms of where they have come from and what they have had to deal with along their tortuous way – not least, earlier on, with the ravages of western imperialism and its compliant Kuomintang. The Americans, having expended such huge resources to become the champion can’t see China’s aspiration in terms of being anything other than their own – to be the champion – despite an abundance of indicators to the contrary. This is, really, too bad.
Championship or not, they do know that the Chinese are up to it; that they are not shaking in their boots, and that they, the Americans, dare not take things much further than doing a bit of the Ali shuffle and blowing hard.
All the signs are in fact that China, as ready as it is, doesn’t want a fight. Not at all. Not with anyone. Perhaps not even **. That its abiding goal is to carry on with its impressive successes for its people and their future. Such as in the mighty growth of its middle class from 39.1 million in 2000 to 707 million in 2018 (Pew Research Centre) – that is, over fifty percent of the world’s middle class, twice the total population of America and almost thirty times Australia’s. Such as with its progress in social cohesion (taking the West’s reportage on Hong Kong with a grain of salt), science, industry, innovation, trade, and, yes, diplomacy and weapons. Such as in not having to tend the extensive, damaging and costly front lines of the American model, let alone even having the ambition to get up to the kind of antics it would take them to get there. All the while keeping the Americans and their pals at bay with little more than a third of the American defence budget.
For its part, America would rather go on paying more and more to back up its posturing abroad than to figure out ways to deal with its crumbling social structures and its tottering brand of democracy at home. It would, still, rather stick to its stupid and costly intimidation playbook – the one in which itty bitty players like Australia cough up billions and billions of their taxpayers’ money to support America’s already massively overblown and profitable defence production industries.
Surely, we might wonder, the outcomes of American leadership against the massively outgunned likes of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, Syria and so on should have moved it at least a little towards finding alternatives to its belligerent fist shaking – especially with a power like China that is not bothered enough by this to shake its fist back. Well, no, they haven’t, not even in the instances of Crimea and Ukraine where it had the opportunity to exercise restraint, however uncharacteristically, in thumbing its nose and shaking its fist at Putin (see Gregory Clark, ‘Pearls and Irritations’).
China is, though, aware of the dangers of downplaying such posturing. It’s been there itself, though hardly on a scale comparable with that of the Americans. For them, since the mid-20th century, it did happen in Korea, where they had, though, clearly warned MacArthur not to cross the Yalu. And it’s been happening, of course, in relation to ** – about which there is, though, a much deeper story than American posturing, since the time of Chiang Kai Shek, wanting to be told. In the essence of which any possibility of a Chinese accommodation of sovereignty for ** has been seriously inhibited by the certainty that this would be paraded loud and long as an Americans victory.
The South China Sea? Well, the Chinese strategy there is really not that hard to understand.
It goes like this.
Although China is now much stronger, smarter, coherent and cohesive than not so long ago to be overly bothered by the usual American posturing, they know they have to be careful about it. Careful enough, yet sufficiently bold as it has been, to extend its front line defences out into the South China Sea. Huff and puff as much as the Americans and their cohort have about land grabs, the rights of nearby countries and the impact on international sea lanes, the real issue here for the Chinese is the relevance of these new bases in terms of the bristling nearby American military bases and what has been, for a long time, the American in-your-face sport of thumbing its nose up and down the coast of China with its ‘surveillance’ programs: ever probing, ever daring the Chinese to have a go. And the exuberance with which their usual toadies (including Australia) have joined in this humbug.
The Russians went into Cuba essentially to counter American nuclear weapons which they had positioned on Russia’s doorstep in Turkey. They withdrew from Cuba only after Kennedy agreed, through the back channels, to remove them. Those in the know at the time understood very well that the outcome of this was a win for Khrushchev, not Kennedy, and that Khrushchev had given the young Kennedy a little space for personal development by not spraying news of his win around the world.
The South China Sea is not Cuba, but the principle of pushing your defences as far forward as you can, or have been obliged to do, is. Unlike the Russians and Cuba, the Chinese have not expected the Americans to do anything about their nearby military facilities. So in doing the next best thing it has exposed the Americans as not really being game to do much about it. Other than, of course, with more passing around of the hat among its toadies to help pay for more promises that may never be delivered or, even if they are, would be of little consequence to China.
China knows that, if it has to, it can stand alone and that it can defend itself. It knows, too, that most nations of the world, other than America (which is, despite itself, somewhat conflicted), want to do business with it; to connect with its growing confidence and with its strengthening brand of non-threatening, non-coercive, non-evangelistic power.
Back in the early 1990’s, Mikhail Gorbachev gave Ronald Reagan the chance – a really big one – to put the world championship behind them and work together for a better way. He put both the Cold War and the future of the Soviet Union on the table. In ways akin to the American attitude towards China today, Ronnie went glassy-eyed with incomprehension. ‘A commie behaving like a saint?’ he must have thought. ‘What’s the catch?!’ Reagan was, of course, little more than an amiable enough Palooka (by no means among American presidents the only one) who was more interested in the next round in the ring than who was in his corner or what they were doing (such as Slick Ollie with his dobs of Contra liniment for Ronnie’s gloves), let alone who was ringing the bell. We can only wonder what an Obama might have done.
Unhappily for us all, the Gorbachevs and the Mandelas and the Keatings and the Dengs (possibly even the Xis) and the Obamas and the Merkels don’t come along that often, let alone at the same time.
原作者是前外交官 Howard Debenham 动物园猴子山的霸主，也不过是猴王 有些中国人也不明白
论坛助手,iPhone 于是鸱得腐鼠,鹓雏过之,仰而视之曰:‘吓!’ 其实也没什么区别。在美国立场看来，即使中国不想成为霸主，但中国不鸟美国，也直接削弱美国霸主地位 西方世界这些**啊，只要戴上了“前”头衔，往往口齿也清晰了，头脑也灵活了，观点也正常了 sdefrfg1 发表于 2024-4-28 08:54
有些中国人也不明白
论坛助手,iPhone
不是想不明白，而是觉得自己不够努力不够忽悠到人家主动跪下来好让自己大富大贵 不是我要争老大，是做老二太惨 oh_my_god 发表于 2024-4-28 09:01
西方世界这些**啊，只要戴上了“前”头衔，往往口齿也清晰了，头脑也灵活了，观点也正常了 ...
退休老干部都爱说实话，不包括老胡中肯。 美国的崛起，不过是漫长历史中的一个小意外，但是这帮白皮当真了。 本帖最后由 观者熊 于 2024-4-28 10:21 编辑
GEMINI翻译：
美国人没看明白：中国不怕美国。
中国知道，必要时它可以独自发展，也可以保卫自己。它也知道，除了美国以外（美国自己也有些矛盾），世界上大多数国家都想要和中国做生意；想要和中国日益增长的信心以及其日益强大的非威胁性、非强制性、非传教式的权力品牌建立联系。显然，中国人并不害怕美国人。同样明显的是，美国人并不理解这一点。
如果他们能试着换个角度看待中国，而不是仅仅把它当成美国世界重量级冠军霸权的竞争者，他们或许就有机会理解中国。更多地从中国走过的路以及他们在这艰难的道路上所经历的磨难来看待中国人——尤其是在早期，他们曾遭受过西方帝国主义及其顺从的国民党的蹂躏。美国人花费了巨大的人力物力成为冠军，他们无法理解中国除此之外的任何愿望，即使有大量迹象表明并非如此。这实在太糟糕了。
冠军不冠军，他们都知道中国人做得到；中国人不会畏缩，美国人也不敢把事情做得太过火，除了做一些阿里式的晃动和虚张声势之外。
事实上，所有迹象都表明，中国虽然做好了准备，但它并不想打架。一点都不想，和任何人都不会。也许甚至和WW都不会。中国坚持的目标是继续为人民和他们的未来取得令人印象深刻的成就。例如，从中产阶级在2000年的3910万增加到2018年的7.07亿（皮尤研究中心数据）——也就是说，占世界中产阶级的一半以上，是美国总人口的两倍，几乎是澳大利亚的30倍。例如，在中国社会凝聚力方面（对西方关于HK的报道持保留态度）、科学、工业、创新、贸易，以及外交和武器方面取得的进步。例如，中国不必像美国模式那样去维护那些广泛、破坏性、代价高昂的前线，甚至根本没有野心去做那种会让他们陷入那样的把戏。同时，中国只需用不到美国国防预算三分之一的资金，就把美国及其盟友拒之门外。
就美国而言，它宁愿继续投入越来越多的资金来支持其在海外的摆架子行为，也不愿想办法解决其国内崩溃的社会结构和摇摇欲坠的民主品牌。它仍然更愿意坚持其愚蠢而昂贵的恐吓剧本——在这个剧本中，像澳大利亚这样的小角色会斥资数十亿纳税人的钱，来支持美国已经膨胀得厉害、利欲熏心的国防工业生产。
我们不禁要问，美国领导层针对越南、伊拉克、阿富汗、叙利亚等这些火力远不如自己的对手所采取的行动，难道不应该至少让它稍微转向寻找一些替代其咄咄逼人的拳头紧握行为的方法吗？尤其是在面对中国这样一个对其耀武扬威并不屑于还击的强大对手时。然而，事实并非如此，即使在克里米亚和乌克兰问题上，美国也有机会克制自己，不去像对待普京那样轻蔑地嘲笑和挥舞拳头（参见格雷戈里·克拉克的《珍珠与刺激》）。
不过，中国意识到了轻视这种摆架子行为的危险。中国自己也曾这样做过，尽管规模远比不上美国。对他们来说，自20世纪中期以来，这种情况确实发生在朝鲜，当时他们明确警告麦克阿瑟不要越过鸭绿江。当然，这种情况也发生在WW问题上——不过，从蒋介石时代开始，关于这个问题的背后故事比美国的摆架子要深得多，值得讲述。从本质上说，任何中国在主权问题上与WW妥协的可能性都受到了严重阻碍，因为中国人确信，这将被美国大肆宣扬为美国的胜利。
南海问题？嗯，中国在那里的战略其实并不难理解。
是这样的。
尽管中国现在比不久前要强大得多、聪明得多、更具凝聚力和协调性，不会因美国惯常的摆架子行为而过分烦恼，但他们知道自己必须小心行事。既要足够谨慎，又要像过去一样足够大胆，将自己的防线延伸到南海。尽管美国及其盟友对所谓“侵占土地”、“邻近国家权利”以及对国际航道的“影响”大肆喧哗，但中国在这里真正关注的是这些新基地与附近美国咄咄逼人的军事基地之间的相关性，以及美国长期以来那种沿着中国海岸线耀武扬威的“监视”行为：不断试探，不断挑衅中国人出手。中国人看到美国那些一贯的追随者（包括澳大利亚）也兴高采烈地加入了这种胡闹行为。
苏联进入古巴实质上是为了对抗美国将核武器部署在其家门口的土耳其。苏联仅在肯尼迪通过秘密渠道同意撤出土耳其的核武器后才从古巴撤军。当时知情人士都非常清楚，这次事件的胜利者是赫鲁晓夫，而不是肯尼迪。赫鲁晓夫没有将他的胜利大肆宣扬，反而给年轻的肯尼迪留了一些个人发展空间。
南海不是古巴，但将防御线向前推进或被迫向前推进的原则是一样的。与苏联在古巴的情况不同，中国并不指望美国对其附近的军事设施采取任何行动。因此，中国这么做反而暴露了美国其实并没有什么办法可以应对。除了让其追随者们继续到处筹钱，为一些可能永远无法兑现的承诺买单，或者即使兑现了，对中国也不会造成任何实质性影响。
早在 1990 年代初期，米哈伊尔·戈尔巴乔夫就给罗纳德·里根提供了一个千载难逢的机会——携手共创更美好的未来。他将冷战和苏联的未来都摆上了谈判桌。但美国对待中国的方式与此类似，里根对此感到困惑不解。“一个毒菜者像圣人一样行事？”他一定这么想过，“这有什么陷阱吗？” 里根充其量只是个和善的拳击手 (在美国总统中绝不是唯一一个) ，他更关心下一轮比赛，而不是他角落里的人或他们在做什么 (比如奥利弗·诺思用“对抗”药膏为里根的拳击手套润滑)，更不用说敲铃的人是谁了。我们只能猜测奥巴马会怎么做。
遗憾的是，对我们所有人来说，戈尔巴乔夫、曼德拉、基廷、DXP (也许还有XJ P)、奥巴马和默克尔这样的人物并不常出现，更不用说同时出现。
那你澳大利亚整天上蹿下跳的图个啥啊 美国人不是不明白，是太明白了
以为美国人不明白或者中国人不明白的，都是装糊涂 《历史的终结及最后之人》 如果从外国的观点来看，感觉中国人孤立主义色彩非常重啊。只要你愿意好好做生意，那不管你是民选大肿痛也好，政变上台的将军也罢，封建世袭的王爷也行，那大家就能愉快地玩耍。没人在乎你家里的破事。 突然想到以前在泥潭看的《松树谷》了，塞里斯的形象简直了 景悦风和 发表于 2024-4-28 08:51
最艰苦的年代也没屈服，新时代后的定调更是断绝了这条路
最艰苦的年代老胡这种虫豸早就打靶了 才疏学浅，珍珠与刺激听着像是什么十二流红脖小报，有影响力吗？ sacodina 发表于 2024-4-28 09:39
最艰苦的年代老胡这种虫豸早就打靶了
虽然老胡是讨厌，但说实话，排在他前面还是太多太多了 能代 发表于 2024-4-28 09:34
你甚至可以扩大到整个盎撒的崛起
你可以继续扩到地球的形成，宇宙的诞生
—— 来自 Xiaomi 2203121C, Android 12上的 S1Next-鹅版 v2.5.2 祥瑞御免小白兔 发表于 2024-4-28 09:38
如果从外国的观点来看，感觉中国人孤立主义色彩非常重啊。只要你愿意好好做生意，那不管你是民选大肿痛也好 ...
如果中国真的出手，又一堆人痛斥霸权主义了 虽然扬基佬只是个普通地球人并且没有主角模板。，但一直坚信自己是烟雨江南写的网文男主。 观者熊 发表于 2024-4-28 09:34
GEMINI翻译：
美国人没看明白：中国不怕美国。
gemini翻译的挺好的啊 观者熊 发表于 2024-4-28 09:34
GEMINI翻译：
美国人没看明白：中国不怕美国。
7亿中产我不是我没有别瞎说啊
—— 来自 Xiaomi 23013RK75C, Android 14上的 S1Next-鹅版 v2.5.4 中国存在给了其他国家不鸟美国的底气，这一点就挖了美国霸权的根了。说白了，天下苦美久矣。 祥瑞御免小白兔 发表于 2024-4-28 09:38
如果从外国的观点来看，感觉中国人孤立主义色彩非常重啊。只要你愿意好好做生意，那不管你是民选大肿痛也好 ...
中国不是不管，而是支持通过联合国多边协商解决问题，而不是一堆飞机导弹招呼上去强迫你接受。 oh_my_god 发表于 2024-4-28 09:01
西方世界这些**啊，只要戴上了“前”头衔，往往口齿也清晰了，头脑也灵活了，观点也正常了 ...
因为他们要是在职的时候这么说话，不用多久就会被戴上“前”头衔了。 bushfu 发表于 2024-4-28 10:04
gemini翻译的挺好的啊
gemini除了经常有些屁股问题，在翻译新闻政论这一类的时候还是算是比较好用的 本帖最后由 mengsu 于 2024-4-28 10:27 编辑
美国人，特别是精英阶层其实都非常明白，只是每一个大国的对外政策本质上都是对内政策，很多事是你不得不做的。 lawsherman 发表于 2024-4-28 09:36
那你澳大利亚整天上蹿下跳的图个啥啊
政客嘛，要么为了选票，要么为了个人利益 废话，建议天兵现在下场杀回阿富汗暴揍胡赛武装，这都不敢你还吓得住谁？当年说杀你全家就杀你全家才能让大家服你，现在畏首畏尾连尼日尔的黑叔叔都不买账
-- 来自 能手机投票的 Stage1官方 Android客户端 amzonme 发表于 2024-4-28 09:30
美国的崛起，不过是漫长历史中的一个小意外，但是这帮白皮当真了。
越来越觉得是这样
祥瑞御免小白兔 发表于 2024-4-28 09:38
如果从外国的观点来看，感觉中国人孤立主义色彩非常重啊。只要你愿意好好做生意，那不管你是民选大肿痛也好 ...
韬光养晦一百年，深挖洞广积粮一百年
总之，对于国际局势，概括起来就是三句话：第一句话，冷静观察；第二句话，稳住阵脚；第三句话，沉着应付。不要急，也急不得。要冷静、冷静、再冷静，埋头实干，做好一件事，我们自己的事。 qadfg 发表于 2024-4-28 10:46
韬光养晦一百年，深挖洞广积粮一百年
总之，对于国际局势，概括起来就是三句话：第一句话 ...
主不可以怒而兴师，将不可以愠而致战；合于利而动，不合于利而止。怒可以复喜，愠可以复悦；亡国不可以复存，死者不可以复生。故明君慎之，良将警之，此安国全军之道也
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